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    I am also from the UK but old. If the first night is the 25th December (hint: it is) then the 12th night is the 5th January.

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          It is both and has been for many centuries.

          American churches may have rewritten that, but American churches also preach hate, division, monetary prosperity, and basically go against a lot of what Jesus said, so I don’t accept them as knowing what they’re talking about.

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            As I said, I disagree. In what illogical world is Christmas Day not the first day of Christmas? I note that Wikipedia suggests there’s a dichotomy between the 5th and the 6th, but most online sources suggest the former, including UK sources. By all means you continue to believe what you will, but so will I.

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              Read all the references at the end of the Wikipedia article.

              You are doing the same revisionism that others who advocate for 5th have done.

              Using logic to argue that a tradition should be on a different day is silly. While you’re at it, renumber the years to reflect the year historians think Jesus was born, add a year zero, have 13 months of 28 days each and one spare holiday, rename the months so that October, November and December are the 8th, 9th and 10th months, and ban carols like “see amid the winter’s snow”, “in the bleak midwinter” and “we three kings of orient are”.

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                No, I won’t.

                Traditions change. The Yule celebration is pagan, co-opted by the Christian Church, just to labour this point. The majority of people believe it’s the 5th and logic and the vast majority of sources agree; even the BBC is unequivocal, which is unlike them. You believe what you want but I’m not wasting any more time on this.

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                  I’m not wasting any more time on this.

                  Good, because you’re wrong. Even scanning through the quoted references at the bottom of the article is beyond your ability to learn.

                  the vast majority of sources agree;

                  says the person who refuses to read them.

                  Traditions change.

                  Doesn’t make the American ones more correct than the original ones, just because there’s a lot of Americans. A lot of Americans voted for Trump; is he right?!