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  • If this is your only idea of “being Christian”, then I’m certainly not it.

    Dude I’ve literally shown you how much more I know and understand about Christianity than you do. You know that you didn’t know what a confirmation is, much less being able to name ALL the sacrament. Hell, you probably even wouldn’t be able to define the word without googling.

    I can list all the sacrament, because I’ve studied the Bible and Christianity, as a former Christian who was brought up in Christianity.

    But you don’t even admit to your ignorance about your own faith, when said ignorance is literally the point of this conversation.

    Because of the community that comes with it.

    Yeah, just like I said, hypocritical believers who are just too scared to admit the ONLY REASON they’re identifying as Christians is LITERALLY that others wouldn’t accept them not identifying as a Christian.

    That’s exactly my point.

    However in more secular countries, you can. You don’t need to be a part of the church to engage in social activities and people don’t socially hang you out to dry if you acknowledge what ridiculous contradictory bullshit the Bible is.

    Because other religions seems to treat this world as a mere passage way, and Judeo-Christian cultures are also concerned about working to leave this place better than what was found.

    WRONG. Propaganda, bullshit and utterly fucking wrong.

    Monotheism is a destructive and hateful. It’s indoctrination, and make people worse than they would be without monotheism. Without monotheism, we would already have our gay luxury space communism.

    I know more about Christianity than you do, you’re just scared to accept Criticism_of_monotheism.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism


  • that everything must be taken literally

    And if you say you have a belief system, but then that belief system doesn’t have any tenets, any scripture, and the scripture it has means nothing or that you actually haven’t even read the scripture that you claim to believe in “non-literally”, you don’t actually have a belief system.

    To be accepted into the Church, you need to accept Jesus and renounce your sins. No one was asked to read the whole Bible and accept it as some Terms and Conditions.

    Jesus, you really don’t know jack shit of the religion you claim to believe in. Yes, there very much is a "read thr while Bible and confirm your Faith.

    It’s literally called a confirmation.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation

    Now the practice in the modern world isn’t as common, because it’s easier to just default to “you accepted the T&C with your Baptism”, but it is still a literal SACRAMENT in the religion. (I don’t believe you could list other sacraments, or even the meaning of the word.)

    I have had a confirmation. You literally spend a week reading the Bible, after which you get confirmed. No, you can’t fail, it’s not a test, but it does show you how ridiculous the Bible is and it’s just a fun thing for teenagers to do and you get loads of money as presents from family members.

    You don’t seem to know anything about Christianity, you don’t seem to have any rules set by it, you don’t seem to be able to say you believe in any specific bit in it, yet you claim that you definitely are.

    And I’m just asking WHY?

    You could just as well claim you’re some other religion, like Buddhism, and then just pretend your beliefs come from that. As of now in this conversation, changing your religion wouldn’t change the conversation a single bit. That’s how little Christianity matters to you, but you since there’s social pressure, you won’t accept any of this.




  • Please do elaborate on what you mean.

    How else would I know? What you’re saying seems to have literally nothing to do with Christianity.

    You can’t state what said values are, nor do you say whether your “acceptance” of them means you try to follow them or if you believe in them?

    The fact you can’t really find those answers should be a hint to the amount of indoctrination around organised religion, for the reasons I’ve explained. I had it when I was around 18, one night at the night club, we were outside for a smoke, and this ~10 years older guy just enquires — in somewhat good faith — why I wear the cross around my neck. It was a golden cross and I got it as a confirmation gift at 15.

    But the question stuck with me, and I ended up taking it off. I don’t remember whether on the spot or months later.

    But the facts are that if people genuinely just go with whatever we think is moral at the time, then why on Earth would anyone claim to found their moral ideology on a book they have to literally mostly ignore?

    It doesn’t make sense.

    Now if you’d just asked “do you think you can be accepting of people who act according to the golden rule”, then ofc the answer is “well yes, there’s zero reason why you wouldn’t”.

    Pretty much the only reason you’re asking this is because you know that “Christian values” can refer to conservative transphobic values as well. I’m sure the ones you’re asking for aren’t, but you’re aware it’s a possible meaning of the word.

    So please, elaborate. I can’t read your thoughts, so I can’t actually know what you mean unless you explain what you mean by “Christian values”


  • Ah, so it’s the “no, actually I am a Christian, despite not following any of the rules. I just make up my own”.

    And you don’t see why ideology like that is mocked in some very secular countries?

    If you claim to be Christian, but then take literally everything to mean whatever you want it to mean, except when it’s something you don’t like (when religious people protest it’s always “It’s not in the Bible!” = “it’s against Christian values which is the term we’re just calling our feelings but here’s a clip from the book we don’t believe in”), then why are you calling yourself a Christian to begin with?

    The answer is because you’re afraid of denouncing Christianity and organized monotheism as the bullshit they so very clearly are.

    What are these “Christian values” of yours then? Oh the very core or Jesus’ teachings, which is the very core of pretty much any even remotely functional ideology, the golden rule; do unto others as you’d have done to yourself.

    It’s not in any ways inherently Christian. Judaism, Confucianism, Islam, Buddhism and various others all have it.

    So if that’s all you’re taking from Christianity and nothing that’s unique to Christianity, then why call your values Christian? Because you dislike explaining yourself to annoying older relatives, that’s why.

    But if you can come out as trans, then surely awkward conversations with conservatives are already on the books, so why not go all in and actually take the smart stance in religion as well.

    I’m not an atheist, by the way. I used to be. Just like I used to be Christian. First I grew out of Christianity, and then I grew out of atheism. So I don’t know what you think I’m “preaching”?


  • No eagerness here. Just very boring facts, which you have to ignore to make your case.

    The Bible literally instructs to stone people wearing two different fabrics at the same time. A leather jacket and jeans (cotton) ? That’s a stoning.

    Just because your society hasn’t moved past beyond having to pretend childish books are real, doesn’t mean everyone here will agree. There are still people here who claim to be Christian, but the Nordics are very secular and you’d never have anyone be upset that something is “against Christianity”.

    The US is almost a theocracy nowadays, which is so ironic, given how it began and what the founding fathers actually argued for.