As part of its secret “autopsy” report on how former Vice President Kamala Harris lost the 2024 presidential election to President Donald Trump, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) now seems to concede that the Biden administration’s support for Israel amid its continued genocide against Palestinians in Gaza played a large role in her losing votes, sources with knowledge of the report’s…
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She wasn’t silent on it though. She was fully on board with supporting Israel and continuing to arm their genocide.
Wasn’t just silence. I remember when they were interviewing her about it and she said something along the lines of “we’ll do everything in our power to support Israel’s security” aka “we’re not only fine with the genocide, we’ll continue to enable it.”
All hope was gone at that moment.
Leading up to then, she seemed to be checking enough boxes that the purity test dumbasses were going to tolerate her, but after that, the waves of blue-maga dipshits announcing their plan to throw the election for Trump made it pretty clear we were fucked.
So, the 'i dRaW tHe lInE aT gEnOcIdE" folks elected Trump, got us all that exact same genocide and then some, not to mention the general destabilization of our country / the rest of the planet that comes with this fucking administration.
Don’t get me wrong, fuck Harris for that shit - this isn’t just on the voters (and nonvoters / 3rd voters), but we the people’s inability to choose some measure of damage control is fucking maddening. Like, I get it - build the guillotines, do the strike, do all the things: no one’s saying voting alone will fix this dumpster fire, but it is a tool in the box, so use it strategically.
Fawk.
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While I can most certainly sympathize with not wanting to perpetuate genocide of any sort, I feel honestly that way too many folks in the last election let perfect be the enemy of ‘good enough’. They wanted a perfect candidate, and I don’t blame them, but they let that get in the way of Harris being good enough to defeat Trump.
If we ever hope to move the Overton window back to the left, we have to be alright with candidates that aren’t perfect. Let’s move back left slowly, in a measured fashion, not piss off all the fascists before we have a chance to win them over to our side. That’ll just result in another Trump.
not piss off all the fascists before we have a chance to win them over to our side. That’ll just result in another Trump.
See, I was with you up until this.
The whole reason we got Trump was because the center-right Democratic party was trying to court the fascists and abandoning the left. We’re not going to “win over the fascists”, that’s not a thing.
They wanted a perfect candidate, and I don’t blame them, but they let that get in the way of Harris being good enough to defeat Trump.
That’s bullshit. She’s way too moderate/right for my taste… I still held my nose and voted for her but I’m not going to fault anyone who didn’t vote for her.
This article is about a single issue but there were plenty of other issues with our “options” for the last election. Biden sitting on the nomination until after we could have had to primary to find the best candidate, and that’s not just on him, it’s on his whole inner circle who were all giving bullshit interviews about “he’s as sharp as I’ve ever seen him”… That’s the 2 out of the last 3 democratic primaries falling into the “sketchy af” category.
If anyone deserves the blame for this it’s the Democratic party/leadership being co-opted by people largely indistinguishable from Republicans, acting like they get to preordain who gets the nomination and choosing poorly. The party is rotting from within while fossils who are more scared of the party moving to the left than they are of Trump.
Let’s move back left slowly, in a measured fashion, not piss off all the fascists before we have a chance to win them over to our side. That’ll just result in another Trump.
Naw fuck that. Let’s move left at lightning speed, and piss off the fascists with no effort at all put into placating them. The time for baby steps is long passed - that shit is what got us Trump in the first place.
And just in case it needs to be said, defeating Trump isn’t the do-all-end-all here. The problem isn’t so much him personally as it is that a majority of our voters see the evil shit he’s doing and get a hardon from it. Defeating him is a first step, but we’ve got a loooong road of denazification afterward - none of it should be handled with kid gloves.
I will follow this up with #DUH
Thank god people didn’t vote for her over this, the people of Gaza would be so much worse off if she were president. /s
Are you actually suggesting Gazans would be better off under a Harris presidency? There is literally zero evidence to back that up. The vast majority of casualties in the genocide of Gaza occurred under Biden’s watch. Now I’m not crediting Trump with the reduction in deaths- that’s just the nature of invasions like this over time, but the fact remains. And what would Harris have done differently anyway? Israel would violate any ceasefire regardless as long as the munitions keep flowing. And she sure as fuck wouldn’t cut them off.
Yep, democrats can’t fail, they can only be failed. It wasn’t Harris’ fault that she picked the wrong side of this issue both ethically and practically. It wasn’t democratic leadership’s fault that they precluded a primary and as a result we ended up with such a weak candidate. It wasn’t Biden’s fault for not prosecuting Trump and pushing as hard as possible to ensure it was illegal for him to run and hold office. It was voters at fault, because voters are obligated to vote for democrats, rather than democrats being obligated to win votes. Up is down, water is dry, red is green.
How privileged you are to be able to vote on principle when the impact of that vote actually kills people. You killed people. You did.
lmao I voted for Harris you absolute dingus
Oh, I did?
Wow, guess you should’ve fucking listened to me then, huh? Do what I tell you next time or it’ll happen again.
Democrats will scream “you killed people” at potential voters before turning around and voting for a candidate who promises to kill the exact same people. They’ll then wonder why a morally bankrupt party failed to successfully browbeat voters with a (piss poor) moral argument.
You don’t give a shit about Palestinians (or you’d be disgusted by voting for Harris), but at least recognize how bad of politics this is.
Says the person who voted for… checks notes… more genocide!
I’m glad the people who voted for genocide keep trying to blame people for killing others.
You should get yourself a shirt: “I voted for genocide, and all I got was this lousy Trump presidency”
It’s the exact opposite. You don’t care about Arabs and think they are beneath you, so you are fine voting for their genocide. You are privileged enough to not be affected by America’s policies, which is why you always vote for whoever the DNC puts in front of you. The policies don’t affect you.
You’re telling on yourself. The only realistic outcomes of the election were Trump winning or Harris winning. Trump winning was a guarantee that the genocide would continue, and it has. Harris was the only chance that things would evolve in a more measured way with fewer deaths and more serious pressure towards restraining Israel.
You don’t care about Arabs since you think the outcome of Trump winning was preferable and the fact that there are more Palestinian deaths as a result is just an inconvenient fact of you standing by “your principles.” Tens of thousands of Palestinians have died for your principled stand.
It’s really disgusting that you try to pin the Palestinian genocide on people who refused to politically support the party enabling the genocide.
You know what I care about?
Killing America. And I’ll throw away my vote as many times as it takes until this shithole country dies.
The only realistic outcomes of the election were Trump winning or Harris winning.
And whose fault was that?
Harris was the only chance that things would evolve in a more measured way with fewer deaths and more serious pressure towards restraining Israel
Source: I made it the fuck up.
“Let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel’s right to defend itself and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself,” [Kamala Harris] said tonight. She said that Israelis should “never again” go through the horror and “unspeakable” attacks of Oct. 7.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc
Joe Biden personally feeding Palestinian children into a meat grinder. Kamala cheering.
You: “Wow, he’s acting with such poise. He’s so pragmatic. I’m so proud to be an American.”
You are the one campaigning for an explicit supporter of the genocide’s perpetrators. There is no spin you can put on this.
Literally the “I’m so glad to be genocided by a woman now!” comic.
By that measurement you killed my friend in beyruth. They got bombed with white phosphorus.
“On principle”
This is the exact line you’re going to use to justify voting for the continuation of domestic concentration camps to yourself.
How’s shaming voters working out for you?
Different people have different ethical systems. Utilitarianism is not the only valid ethical framework. Have some respect for others and stop belittling others deeply held moral beliefs. Some view elections as outcome-driven. Some view voting as an act of personal endorsement.
Don’t be a smug asshole and pretend your values are the only valid ones. Progressives are supposed to be open minded and respectful of diversity.
For many people, voting is an endorsement. For many, it is morally wrong to vote for an evil person, even if they are the lesser evil. Voting is a personal thing, and people use different ethical calculus.
Ironically, you are literally using the same ethical systems that the Nazis did. For them, the ends justified the means. That’s how they could justify doing medical experiments on prisoners. They said that yes, people would suffer, but more people would be helped than harmed. A respect for persons ethical framework would instead say, damn the final outcome, good ends don’t justify evil means. Hell, even the Holocaust was justified based on being the lesser evil, as it in theory would prevent millennia of future racial conflict.
You have far more in common with MAGA than you think. They also justify all their cruelty based on providing the greatest good to the greatest number. Immigrants need to be kicked out, as a racially homogenous society is more peaceful and prosperous. Trans people need to be exterminated, as gender variance causes all kinds of social ills. Voting needs to be heavily restricted, as crazy people are electing the wrong candidates. Utilitarianism is a fundamentally fascist philosophy. The individual does not matter, only the greatest good for the greatest number. If murdering a million saves a billion, it’s the right thing to do.
I’d pat you on the back but your horse is to tall.
Literally. They spent well over a year attacking and shaming anyone that called for solidarity to defeat trump. Everyone is free to vote however they want. But the hypocrisy of them criticizing this.
It was gifted to me by Vermin Supreme. :D
Dunno, we should be the ones asking you. Oh the irony! Coming from a bluemagite like yourself. Pot calling the kettle black.
If someone votes their conscience that’s between them and their deity. That much we agree on. If someone however, campaigns in self sabatoge, attacking those asking for solidarity to defeated an open fascist. Screeching “BlUeMaGa!” or “GeNoCiDe SuPpOrTeR!”. IE you.
It is likely that every Republican candidate for the rest of our lives will be a fascist. Ultimately Democratic insiders control the primary. They are after all a private club legally speaking. That means that sometimes, you have to be willing to punish your own side at the general. Otherwise the insiders have no reason to change the direction of the party. Again, it’s fascist Republicans from here on out. What you are advocating for is for us to permanently refuse to ever hold the Democrats accountable when they abandon their base. Again, there will never be an election in our lifetime where the opponent isn’t a literal fascist. This is just the new normal.
Oh no! You’ve stated the obvious! Soon the tankies and aggrieved lefties will be upon us! We must hurry away!
You must hurry away indeed, as your lies can’t stand in the face of the facts.
The fishing expedition was a success 😉
These voters are responsible for the day Trump tower is built in the Gaza Strip. It’s on them.
Even though I voted for Harris, I completely disagree with you. It’s up to the candidate to court the voters. It’s not up to the voters to just fall in line with a party. The fault is very squarely on the DNC.
Well . . . yeah.
According to reporting from Axios, members of the Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) Policy Project, who were given access to the autopsy report, claim that the DNC’s own data indicated that Harris’s backing of the Biden administration’s pro-Israel policies led voters (particularly younger ones) to withhold support for her as a candidate for president.
“The DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a ‘net-negative’ in the 2024 election,” said Hamid Bendaas, a spokesperson for the IMEU Policy Project.
And that’s how you introduce military psyops into a civilian population to divide and conquer, people! Congrats comrades! WINK WINK. Now: who’s ready to buy some time-shares in new oceanside development, huh?!? Hey heyyyy! Nah I’m just kiddin. They know we don’t have any money.
Bluemaga are completely incomprehensible these days.
Could you translate this from cultspeak to english, pls?
They’re saying that Harris’s support of Israel was a ploy to help Donald Trump’s campaign. I think that’s what they’re saying atleast.
